# What Helmet Are You Wearing?



## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

What helmet are you wearing? Giro, Louis Garneau, Bell, Lazer, Specialized, Uvex, Ruby, Catlike, etc..?
Link or picture would be nice! 
Tell us ur Pros and Cons 

I'm wearing 2011 Louis Garneau Exo-Nerv Road Helmet

https://www.performancebike.com/bik...d=1086627&summaryOnly=true#pr-header-40__4265

Feels great, good looking, 29 vents, light and ofc comfortable! :aureola:

Con? A little big in the back. However, still look better than those mushroom helmet


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## BigTex_BMC (Dec 30, 2011)

What The F#ck? 

This is what reviews are for, I'm sure there's at least 3 or 4 different reviews for any road or mtb helmet.

But if you must know, I'm wear a Giro Indicator, that I ripped the visor off of, it works fine, however its not something you put on and forget about, you can always tell it's there, and not in a good way.

Will most likely be upgrading to a Lazor O2.


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## t_togh (Aug 9, 2008)

Giro Aeon...light and nice. But don't pay sticker!


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## Oasisbill (Jan 15, 2011)

At the moment a Giro Ionos - I practice safe browsing.


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## paule11 (Jun 11, 2011)

catlike neon Catlike NEON Bike Helmet


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## DEK (Feb 12, 2005)

Bell Ghisallo. On sale at Performance. 

Bell Ghisallo Road Helmet - Adult Bike Helmets


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## dcorn (Sep 1, 2011)

I'm on the computer now, so I'm not wearing a helmet. 

When I was out riding 20 minutes ago, I was wearing a Specialized Prevail. Fits perfect.


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## mojo2011 (Feb 8, 2012)

A white Specialized, in hindsight the color selection was poor. My head looks HUGE in white.


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## woodys737 (Dec 31, 2005)

Kask Mojito. 

Long time user of Bell Volt and Giro Ionos. The Kask fits my head better, is lighter (by 100g) has a nicer chin strap system, and also has a unique "up and down" adjustment system to fit your head like no other helmet I've tried before. Also, this thing is much more sleek than the Bell and Giro resulting in no mushroom head like look. Can't say enough good things about this helmet. Give it a look.

Here's a link: MOJITO


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## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

woodys737 said:


> Kask Mojito.
> 
> Long time user of Bell Volt and Giro Ionos. The Kask fits my head better, is lighter (by 100g) has a nicer chin strap system, and also has a unique "up and down" adjustment system to fit your head like no other helmet I've tried before. Also, this thing is much more sleek than the Bell and Giro resulting in no mushroom head like look. Can't say enough good things about this helmet. Give it a look.
> 
> Here's a link: MOJITO


Well said! That helmet look really nice! :thumbsup:


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## superjesus (Jul 26, 2010)

Just got a Specialized Propero II. I love the fit and simplicity of the straps. It is replacing a Giro Ionos that I will keep as a backup because the retention system refuses to stay in the middle setting and the ear/chin straps have been a pain to correctly adjust.


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## Mr. Versatile (Nov 24, 2005)

I'd always worn Giro, but when I was hit by a car & mine broke I couldn't find another Giro that felt good/fit nicely. So I bought a Bell Volt. It's nice. I forget it's there when I'm riding.


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## Merckx Ti (Mar 8, 2008)

A bought a Giro Ionos recently and will use it in the Spring, Summer, and Fall.

I have my older Bell Sweep which I use in the Winter because it fits better when using my balaclava under it.


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## tober1 (Feb 6, 2009)

Giro Saros. 
Haven't found anything that fits my noggin as well. Just picked up an identical one on sale today at the Toronto bike show.


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## Sisniega (Jun 17, 2011)

Catlike whisper plus


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## 9er (Oct 26, 2011)

DEK said:


> Bell Ghisallo. On sale at Performance.
> 
> Bell Ghisallo Road Helmet - Adult Bike Helmets


x2

very comfortable and can't beat the price


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## boneman (Nov 26, 2001)

*Catlike*

Whisper, not the plus...

Pros- Fits my noggin, straps and strap anchor points are positioned well for my head, incredibly cool and very light.

Cons- some people don't like how it looks but since I wear it and don't have to look, it doesn't matter.

I bought the floor demo model for half list.


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## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

boneman said:


> Whisper, not the plus...
> 
> Pros- Fits my noggin, straps and strap anchor points are positioned well for my head, incredibly cool and very light.
> 
> ...


They look like the one Cervelo team use. They don't look bad at all!


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## GrayBlack (Feb 8, 2012)

Specialized Echelon. It's inexspensive, looks good and comfortable.


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## 1bamafan14 (Jan 24, 2012)

Bontrager Circuit I think. Light and well ventilated I like it. $99 bucks at my LBS


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## *bigG* (Jan 10, 2012)

Bell Lumen. Comfy and I hardly know it's there.


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## craigh-krph (Aug 14, 2011)

t_togh said:


> Giro Aeon...light and nice. But don't pay sticker!


Same here.


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## triathlonandy (Feb 25, 2012)

Scott Wit, Giro Advantage 2 and a Giro Ionos "Livestrong"


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## sadisticnoob (Dec 6, 2009)

im using OGK brand helmet








The regas (green1 )








and the Mostro









fits my head pretty well and its light.


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## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

sadisticnoob said:


> im using OGK brand helmet
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Damn, 176g is light!:yikes: Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:


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## sadisticnoob (Dec 6, 2009)

enyceckk said:


> Damn, 176g is light!:yikes: Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:


I do not know whether is it available in the States since i do not live there but that is 176g for the S/M size

retails for approximately 220 usd


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## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

sadisticnoob said:


> I do not know whether is it available in the States since i do not live there but that is 176g for the S/M size
> 
> retails for approximately 220 usd


Thanks for the info!


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## boneman (Nov 26, 2001)

*Ocbc*

Nice helmets. Saw a few at the retail exhibits by the F1 pits. I see you've got your OCBC kit out and the map of the big/little island. You check out the pro crit last night?


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## Salsa_Lover (Jul 6, 2008)

I have a Giro Ionos and a Bell Volt that are some seasons old.

I might try something else but not sure what. Met ? Catlike ? mmmm I don't know yet


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## Mdeth1313 (Nov 1, 2001)

I alternate between a giro aeon (which I just picked up) and a catlike whisper (not the plus). I had a whisper plus but they changed the shape size and it doesn't fit as well (thus the aeon).


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## sadisticnoob (Dec 6, 2009)

boneman said:


> Nice helmets. Saw a few at the retail exhibits by the F1 pits. I see you've got your OCBC kit out and the map of the big/little island. You check out the pro crit last night?


It's completely sold out last I checked .
I only watched the crit open to singaporeans though.abit dull din have time to watch the pro crit .

Heh don't need a map of Singapore, I'm a local there


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## 8toes (Feb 28, 2010)

Limar 911, feels really good on my huge head....and I got it new for only $10.00 because it was missinf a buckle clasp.


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## f3rg (May 11, 2008)

Giro ProLight.


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## enyceckk (Oct 17, 2011)

f3rg said:


> Giro ProLight.


I was planning to get that. But I heard it was either too tight or too loose. :mad2:


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## oldnewbie52 (Sep 28, 2011)

Bell Sweep. Have a big head size tho long, narrow face and this looks less mushroom then others I've tried.


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## c_h_i_n_a_m_a_n (Mar 3, 2012)

Giro Pneumo ... Been very happy with it so far ... I do not think it is available now though ... Not on the current Giro website ...


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## heybrady (Jul 3, 2011)

Picked up a Bell Slant from nashbar 29% sale for $19. Looks nice and feels good when I tried it on here.


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## froze (Sep 15, 2002)

I wear a Lazer because none of the other brands would fit my long narrow head. Yes, I look like an alien.


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## danharp (Mar 4, 2012)

Since I mostly commute, grams don't matter much, so I go with a Bell that my parents bought me over the holidays.


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## Nicole Hamilton (Sep 5, 2010)

Years ago, Shoei used to run an ad for their motorcycle helmets: Do you really need a helmet this good? Depends what you're going to put in it.

I've got a Lazer Helium. Vastly overpriced and not particularly light (at 339g) but it fits better than anything else I could find, which matters if I'm going to put my head in it for hours and hours. The dial mechanism it uses for adjustments is the whole reason to get it.


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## robgazoo (Feb 19, 2012)

GIRO IONOS, on sale.. Research one and try them on.


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## Arch Itech (Feb 27, 2011)

old bell aquila pro.. fits like a glove


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## cheapmods (Feb 27, 2012)

Giro Transfer, mostly cuz it was cheap and well reviewed. 

I look at it this way, i'm better off as long as I have something on my head, and i can always upgrade and take my time finding the "perfect one for me.

Pros: Price, looks decent, fits snug


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## ragtag (Mar 5, 2012)

dcorn said:


> I'm on the computer now, so I'm not wearing a helmet.
> 
> When I was out riding 20 minutes ago, I was wearing a Specialized Prevail. Fits perfect.


Got a Prevail at Christmas from my wife. Lovely light helmet and a great fit too.


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## meppe (Jan 11, 2008)

Hi guys, first post but I've been lurking for a while. I tried and tried to make several Giro's work, but I think I have a oval shaped head. Tried on the Specialized Prevail and it fits perfect. It's lightweight, comfortable and I hardly even know I have it on. Love it.

Matt:thumbsup:


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## vautrain (Mar 1, 2012)

Bell Sweep.


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## ROAD&DIRT (Mar 27, 2009)

Specialized Echelon... best fitting helmet for my oval shaped head 

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## KEIR169 (Dec 29, 2011)

I have a Bontrager Oracle in white and silver, it looks nice (in my opinion), fits well and is quite light


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## johnlh (Sep 12, 2008)

BigTex_BMC said:


> What The F#ck?...


Such a diplomat:thumbsup:


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## arai_speed (Aug 19, 2003)

Bell Furio - it was on sale @ REI

After seeing some of the cool helmets on this thread I might need to buy a new one:


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## ph0enix (Aug 12, 2009)

Giro Ionos 2009 Garmin edition. I don't think about the pros or cons. I just don't think about it at all. Like it's not even there. It's light and the airflow is great. The only issue I have is that one of the Velcro pads keeps coming off but I sweat more than the average bear. I contacted Giro about it and they sent me a whole bunch of pads at no charge.


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## Jpeconsult (Sep 28, 2011)

+1 for the Giro Ionis on sale.


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## Slowhead (Nov 29, 2011)

Garneau X-Lite, even in white/silver, it looks considerably better than anything else I tried on and that was a bunch of them. I have a small head, so it wasn't an easy shopping experience.


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## bernithebiker (Sep 26, 2011)

Specialized Prevail. Light, comfy.


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## gus68 (Oct 19, 2010)

I have the k.50 evo and the back of the head cage interferes with my oakley ear stems. Does the mojito have the same issue? Other glasses with shorter ear stems are fine.


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## Bunyan (Sep 23, 2009)

Is there a difference between road and mtb helmets? 
I have an S-Works helmet I picked up on discount last year.


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## pivo (Sep 9, 2011)

I use a 2011 Cratoni Terron (made in Germany) - fits very well, is light, keeps my head cool and it was 70% off at CRC.


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## Anthony3 (Aug 29, 2011)

Louis Garneau quartz helmet, that I bought on sale, it also looks nice in the black color I purchased


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## LONDON-GUY (Oct 3, 2011)

I have a uvex the same as worn by francaise Des Jeux team last year. I find it very comfitable and well vented.


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## fazzman (Mar 12, 2008)

Catlike wisper plus. Fits like a glove, great air flow, and I like the looks. Got it in gloss white. 

Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk


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## LiquidX (Dec 1, 2011)

I just picked up a Giro Atmos after reading crash stories.


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## PlatyPius (Feb 1, 2009)

enyceckk said:


> What helmet are you wearing? Giro, Louis Garneau, Bell, Lazer, Specialized, Uvex, Ruby, Catlike, etc..?
> Link or picture would be nice!
> Tell us ur Pros and Cons
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> ...


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## SolidSnake03 (Jun 22, 2011)

Currently:









However I'm actually looking for a new helmet and could really use some advice. I have a quite tiny noggin to be perfectly honest ~51cm. This has made finding a helmet that actually fits without cranking the heck out of the retention system a chore. This is my second Giro and it seems that their shape just doesn't get along with me well.

I think I have a slightly more oval head shape as opposed to Giro which I have read as mostly round. This would logically explain my clash with their fit.

Anyone have any suggestions for helmets that might fit a small guy with a possibly oval skull?


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## gsorvino (Jan 16, 2011)

White Lazer, fits well.


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## RanGer498 (Feb 17, 2012)

Louis Garneau and Specialized


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## SolidSnake03 (Jun 22, 2011)

Tried Lazer and LG and neither were a good fit. I tried on the Bell Volt and that seemed to be decent same with the Specialized Echelon. Wondering if the Volt is designed for a slightly more oval shaped head like the Specialized?


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## Kodiak21 (Jan 30, 2012)

Currently using a Giro Venti - I don't care too much about the weight, plus it's the only one I could find that really even fits my big noggin. Anybody know any other helmets for big heads like me? I believe I'm right about at 63 cm, probably slightly more

Edit: Well this is awkward, I remeasured my head, and it's at 60 cm or so...guess it's not as big as I thought. But yay, can finally use other helmets!


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## panzercom2002 (Feb 19, 2012)

Giro Phase. It was the only one that felt good on my noggin.


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## mariomal99 (Mar 4, 2012)

Trek sonic elite....light and fits good


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## potholered70 (Feb 14, 2012)

Specialized Echelon, fits my big round empty head perfectly.


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## Ruby13 (Aug 11, 2011)

Giro Aeon. Seems to fit my large melon really well. Light and great ventilation.


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## askmass (Sep 28, 2009)

Just got a new Giro Pro Light.

Nice.


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## jkk (Apr 2, 2007)

Finally replaced a couple of Giro helmets after 6 years. Overdue I know, but they still worked well and fit perfectly. Just bought a Giro ProLight and and a Bontrager Circuit. The ProLight is unbeliveably light and fits me on the loose side,and doesn't have as wide a range of fastening adjustments as "regular" helmets. Still love it though - it's a keeper. The Bontrager Circuit is surprisingly comfortable, light enough, and looks and feels great, also a keeper.


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## Diopena1 (Jul 21, 2011)

I Just bought a new helmet a couple of days ago, but, for starters, have a Bell Lumen, can't beat it for the price.

The new Helmet, is a Giro Atmos, Man, the difference is night and day.... I was going to get the Bell Sweep, but the Atmos fit me better, heck, it fit better than the Ionos, and the Aeon.

When it comes to Helmets, my philosophy is simple, It's the same philosophy I used when I worked as a mechanic at a bike shop: "make sure it fits comfortably first, looks come second"

Fact is, all helmets have to meet CPSC standard to be sold period!.... so you can rock a $35 Walmart special, and it will still give you the protection needed. It won't look as nice as the pricier models out there..... but it does the job. So, in closing, aesthetics are in the eye of the person wearing the helmet.

Ride safe, cover your noggin!


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## GA1911 (May 4, 2010)

Bell Volt white/silver that I have used for a couple of years. Fits well and fairly light. Got a deal plus used a gift card from Christmas.

I decided I was tired of putting on a damp helmet in the spring and summer when I ride almost everyday, so picked up a Bell Array from Nashbar this week, 50% off. No comment on this one since I haven't received it yet.

Bell helmets seem to fit my head better than most. Tried Giro, LG, Scanatte (the spelling isn't right, but the Performance brand), and a few others, but I keep coming back to Bell.


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## Yolajeff (Aug 24, 2011)

DEK said:


> Bell Ghisallo. On sale at Performance.
> 
> Bell Ghisallo Road Helmet - Adult Bike Helmets


Same.


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## Crappymonkey (Feb 6, 2011)

I use the Rudy Project Sterling. Got it for $50 on sale last year from their website and it's been great. Nice and comfortable for my head.. I also have a Lazer 02 stitting in a box in a closet as a quick backup if I ever damage the Sterling.


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## sadisticnoob (Dec 6, 2009)

just a question

after a ride how do you peeps wash your helmets?

i stay in a tropical country where the heat goes up to 35 deg Celsius in the day and it is like 90% humidity rate. I feel abit digusted with the sweat sticking on the straps and netting


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## superjesus (Jul 26, 2010)

sadisticnoob said:


> just a question
> 
> after a ride how do you peeps wash your helmets?
> 
> i stay in a tropical country where the heat goes up to 35 deg Celsius in the day and it is like 90% humidity rate. I feel abit digusted with the sweat sticking on the straps and netting


Light rinse w/ tap water. Air dry at room temperature.


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## Terex (Jan 3, 2005)

Three LAS Squalos. OK, so I broke the first two with my head. And it's actually four. One in NJ and one in NM. Looking at POC for mtn. biking and I may wear it on my road bike. May get one for skiing too. POC is what the cool kids are wearing. 

Trabec Race MIPS - POC Sports - POC Sports


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## asvc (Mar 14, 2012)

Bell Volt. Nice helmet, got it in red/white with decent discount on the ebay.


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## Andy STi (Sep 13, 2009)

Love my Kask MojIto!


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## Rokh On (Oct 30, 2011)

Kask Vertigo and Fox Flux


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## Crusty (Nov 25, 2009)

SolidSnake03 said:


> Currently:
> 
> However I'm actually looking for a new helmet and could really use some advice. I have a quite tiny noggin to be perfectly honest ~51cm. This has made finding a helmet that actually fits without cranking the heck out of the retention system a chore. This is my second Giro and it seems that their shape just doesn't get along with me well.
> 
> ...


I have a small head. I prefer a helmet that has a proper snug fit rather than relying on the retention system to hold the helmet in place. I find that Bell helmets size small fit my head. I don't know if I would call my head round or oval.


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## Fignon's Barber (Mar 2, 2004)

Andy STi said:


> Love my Kask MojIto!



Tell me about the fit of that kask mojito. I use a Bell Volt now, size medium, and usually determine helmet choice based on if I fit into a medium vs. a large. Head shape is more oval than round. thanks.


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## greg12666 (Mar 29, 2012)

Still have my Giro Pneumo


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## gamenight (Mar 30, 2011)

Giro Ionos and Uvex Race Boss


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## Naixed (Apr 10, 2012)

Any deals on rudy project windmax? very sleek looking


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## Karcas (Mar 23, 2012)

I'm sporting some Specialized S-works helmet and have no complaints.
No idea what model as the box it came in was the wrong box. It was a last years model and was marked down to $129.99. Best part was that when he rang it up it came in at $99.99 and since I had just bought a bike there he gave me 10% off of that too. 
The fit is amazing. Helmet is black and gray, weighs 242grams, and has FACT carbon if that narrows it down.


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## jiznake (Jan 24, 2012)

LiquidX said:


> I just picked up a Giro Atmos after reading crash stories.


I too just got an Atmos, yesterday in fact. Felt good trying it on for a few minutes, it won't get its first ride tell Saturday.


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## bghill (Apr 5, 2010)

I wear the Bell Volt in Team BMC colors, with the visor attached.


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## gordy748 (Feb 11, 2007)

I've just picked up a KASK Vertigo helmet...


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## bayAreaDude (Apr 13, 2012)

Rudy Project Slinger. Got that and a pair of glasses together for $175. Love both - seems like superb quality for a great price. I'm happy.


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## Junkd (Apr 21, 2012)

Specialized Propero, fits my small head pretty good!


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## Scarthumb (May 1, 2012)

Bell Array Helmet

Pros:
low price for it's quality
light weight
comfortable for big size head
good air ventilation

Cons:
questionable art design on some helmets on sale. some color doesn't match with official web posted pictures.


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## murbike (Jan 22, 2004)

Rudy Project Slinger. Love it except for the fact that I had to order new pads after <2 years. One of the forehead pad ripped, and I was getting scraped by the velcro...

Other than that, I love the helmet, and the glasses I got with it (did their package deal)...the glasses are awesome, and I really like the helmet.


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## Cinelli 82220 (Dec 2, 2010)

woodys737 said:


> Kask Mojito


That looks nice! 
I went to the store but I'm in Canada and they only ship with UPS :mad5:


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## Erion929 (Jun 10, 2010)

Bell Array....nice helmet, almost the same as the popular Bell Sweep, but got it for ~$65 :thumbsup:


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## tall-kc (Mar 30, 2012)

Bell Influx. Sure it's a mtb helmet, but it fits well and it's affordable. The visor pops off for long road rides.


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## mtor (Mar 1, 2007)

DEK said:


> Bell Ghisallo. On sale at Performance.
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I love mine


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## Thebrann (Apr 23, 2012)

*Bell Alchera*

I love, love, love my Alchera. I have a HUGE peanut-shaped head and this bad boy sits very low on my brow - something most other helmets can't do. Light, breathes, comfy. I will be sad when it wears out.


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## Parkansas (Jan 9, 2006)

*Helmets*

I have a POC Trabec. It's designed as a mtn. biking helmet, but after my "standard brand" road bike helmet broke while inside the velocase as I was traveling home, I thought it would be a good idea to get something a bit more stout. it's got 16 vents, weighs 350 grams, and comes with a cloth bag, and spare pads. The outside view appears larger than other helmets, but it feels the very comfortable. I tried on some POC ski helmets which didn't fit my head at all, but the bike helmets are from a different mold, and they seem to fit very well. There's nothing inside the helmet that creates any pressure. I ride 95 % on the road, and it works great for either discipline.


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## omalley72 (Aug 5, 2012)

currently a Giro, but looking at bell.


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## Lije Baley (Jun 8, 2012)

I started with a Specialized Max, but after a week of multi-hour rides wanted something lighter. I chose the Specialized S3. The Prevail is lighter still, but the weight difference did not seem worth the extra money. 

Ventilation and comfort with the S3 is excellent.


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## Golfjunky (Nov 23, 2011)

i have currently got a Giro Prolight 173g in black. i want something with a bit of colour so i will be changing soon.


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## SolidSnake03 (Jun 22, 2011)

Just got a Giro Aeon small and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. Have the Matte Black with white and red explosions color and it looks pretty nice. The helmet is very light and does seem to disappear especially compared to my Specialized Echelon that I keep just for commuting now.

The Echelon was/is a nice fitting helmet however the thicker straps and helmet weight ensured it was always "present" not intrusive or bad just present all the time


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## r1lee (Jul 22, 2012)

Louis Garneau Edge, which i removed the visor off of. I personally don't like the aesthetics of it, but it's really the only one that fits my huge round head like a glove.


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## Newnan3 (Jul 8, 2011)

Giro Aeon. Nice and Light.....Find one on sale.


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## mando54 (Jun 6, 2012)

Giro Ionos


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## tucg15 (Sep 2, 2011)

Specialized Echelon...sweet fitting helmet and looks great too!


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## Bill Bikie (Jul 24, 2010)

LAS Squalo, made in Italy of course. Good company for my Pino and Campy Record 10.


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## moose82 (Jun 4, 2012)

Specialized Propero II. I had a pretty good crash last week which destroyed my old Propero as I smacked my head pretty solidly on the road. Got up without even a headache. I promptly went down to the LBS by my work and replaced it the next day.


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## Cyclin Dan (Sep 24, 2011)

Giro Ionos...circa 2010. I love that helmet. 

On the MTB I have a Specialized...don't remember the model name.


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## SixStringMadness (Aug 13, 2012)

Giro Atmos

Giro Atmos helmet for cyclists 

Fairly satisfied for the road, although I wish it held my glasses a little more snugly...


Can't find my MTB helmet online, but its a Giro as well


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## surfinguru (Jun 17, 2004)

Another Giro Atmos checking in...


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## Keoki (Feb 13, 2012)

1) Limar Pro 104 Ultralight
2) SixSixOne - All purpose helmet.


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## vuong05 (Aug 23, 2010)

Giro Aeon. Comfy and lite, but most importantly, it fits my head the best.


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## Abit96 (Feb 13, 2011)

LAS Victory


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## hamsey (Aug 16, 2010)

Kask Vertigo


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